Audio; un: birdofprey

[notquitetamed]

So people have been talking about all our choices regarding how to deal with the fae. I think no matter what we decide we do also need to consider something else. We need to consider how disorganized we are if shit happens and whatever we choose fails.

Whether we like it or not, this place is our home for now. I think no matter what we do next, we need to get more organized about protecting this place if shit happens. For all we know even choosing a peaceful option could lead to the fae invading later on if we do something to piss them off. We can all hope otherwise, but I've always felt it better to be strong enough to deal with whatever happens.

Okay, so I suck at this whole speaking on the network thing, but just wanted to know if there would be interest in forming a defense focused militia and what sort of skills and experience we have to work with. That and if there is someone better than me at leading and training people. I'm a good fighter, but I know that no one besides me could learn to fight the way I did. I'm also better suited for figuring out the best way to stab the enemy.

[And then with that he'll go ahead and end the message.]

Comments

voice, un: lightfellowc

[ofsilverflame]

It's a sound idea. I'm well-versed in overseeing training and drilling of men-at-arms, and I'd be happy to lend a hand. I'm hoping we can avoid a conflict, but it never hurts to be prepared, and a small dollop of discipline can go a long way.

So count me in.

[notquitetamed]

I'm hoping so too because invasion sucks. Still can't hurt to have a group who can assist when things like the doppelgangers happen again too.

Audio, un: lionoflucis

[immortalmarshal]

To be fair, the lack of any kind of proper group that's meant to help defend the people has bothered me for quite some time. And I'm not talking about just a standing army - even a small group of disciplined Hunters could do a far better job than we have so far.

Though my concerns are not so much with the fae folk as they are with whatever creatures of this world that could go mad for no good reason and go on a massacre spree...not to mention what else might show up from any of the other worlds out in the universe...

[notquitetamed]

Yeah, that's another good reason and I'd agree a small group can do a lot. What it ends up being doesn't matter to me so much as we have some group that is used to fighting together and is ready to handle whatever comes our way.

Voice; UN: Paladin

[reresurrected]

If we were to make such a group, it might be a good idea to give everyone some basic training in one or two particular forms of combat for the sake of better cohesion. Some way to make it easier for people with vastly different abilities to work together, in other words.

[notquitetamed]

If you mean overall tactics like close quarters and ranged, I'd agree.

video un: konpeito_oni

[konpeito_aji]

Well said! I was considering the exact same thing!

[Now for the hard part. How the fuck does he sum up the entire warlords period of Japan, Owari province's geopolitical status, (dead center, impoverished, with no capacity to spend time on the arts before he turned it into the economic stronghold to start the unification of Japan) the sheer demon hunting and bandit slaying and decades of war, of growing up under a military genius general father, of dealing with the constant assassinations, and -- well, all the rest?]

My only request is we allow anyone to learn, regardless of social status -- [Who knows? Maybe that's meaningless to everyone else, because for the most part it seems to be less relegating women to ninja & assassins, or samurai and knights to family heritage -- but it means everything to Nobunaga, and as far as he could tell, a great deal to King Arthur as well.] And every person has to be looking out for their own ambitions. [The rule he had with all the Oda forces. No one could be a helpful pawn if they were only fighting for Nobunaga's sake. They had to fight for their own motivations, and it was his job as their leader to do the same.]

Anyone from Japan after 1600 by the Western calendar can probably vouch for my background. I am Oda Nobunaga: Demon King of the Sixth Heaven.

[Heh.]

[It doesn't even scratch the surface. Demon King. Guns. Lances. Swords. Naval tactics. Machinery. Magic.] I'm still getting my bearings here, so I'm not as familiar with the advanced star warfare as I'd like to be. [Well, he just straight up admitted he's from the 1500s so...] Akechi Mitsuhide isn't a great teacher, and Toyotomi Hideyoshi isn't here with us, but I consider it a great point of pride that I could teach even the otherwise most useless of men to become an effective part of any army. [How does he explain how SHIT his army was? How they literally started off just the most slapdash of men, and every other part of Japan always had the best of the best? And Oda changed all that by proving you didn't need money, you needed genius and not to rely on tradition and castes! He's good at DOING things, but explaining it? Never. He can't. It's just words without the evidence there.] And since as I noted anyway, most people here seem to be more elites of their worlds and times, I have no doubt they'll continue to impress.

Mitsuhide designed the Tanegashima guns we outfitted my army with, and I want to have something here that doesn't require magic to operate in order to give those who need it most a more even chance to fight back. He's also a much better sharpshooter than I am, so he can take on the more advanced students, and turn them into officers. So I'll need any inventors, engineers, and those willing to work with non-magical materials to confer with him on designs.

I'd still be a lot happier if we could make our own factories here. Whether the people wish to invade, or trade, building up the economy here first would be supersede the need for either, and give the locals a leverage from which to negotiate either way. I suppose simple forges will just have to do for now.

[notquitetamed]

[Good thing for Nobunaga that Hawk is from a non-Earth world and it's not all that advanced either, if anything it seems to be a bit behind since guns are still very new and highly experimental and definitely not used by the military yet.]

Never considered social status a reason to limit. Maybe Gillia is a weird place, but we hail a woman of common birth, Saint Rosvita, as our greatest war hero because of her achievements during the Hundred Years War centuries ago. I've always been of the opinion that if someone can be in danger and they are capable of picking up a sword that they should be allowed to learn how to use it to defend themselves and their home.

Never heard of Japan though, so I'd probably have to hear it from someone from there. With how many have responded so far with experience I'm probably going to leave it to all of you to figure out how to do things. I'm better at the actual fighting and strategy and I also don't want to discount the use of magic, especially from people like myself whose magic is well-suited to battle.

text / un: un: キリン

[shishato]

don't we already have knights or something??? what's the point of them if they aren't using the cool swords and armor that they probably got for free anyway? ┐('～ ';)┌

we should take their stuff and do it ourselves!

[notquitetamed]

We do, but new arrivals can't just join straight off even if they have experience or were a knight in their world. Many of us have plenty of experience that should be used.

And I'm not even going to comment on stealing their stuff. Never been fond of heavy armor myself. Looks cool, but it's really harm to move fast in and avoid detection.

un: player_one

[facepalmchampion]

As long as I can fight, count me in. I don't want to hear orders, just point me out a direction when the time comes.

[notquitetamed]

Sounds like one after my own heart. Duly noted, but still would like to have some idea on how to best use your talents.

voice; un: flamek

[flamekthunder]

...While I don't oppose the idea generally, I do have concerns on how the organization and leadership will ultimately be handled.

There are several individuals including myself who have experience in those areas, but our ideals and motivations will likely clash, making the entire endeavor fall apart if we don't find common ground. This leads to an issue of trust. What kind of "background check" can be done to be sure those of commanding or authoritative position are trustworthy? Alternatively if we are forced to accept things as is, what will be done if someone betrays the group or begins to behave against everyone's best interest?

Then there is the possibility of someone being sent back to their world without warning, so there would need to be written or some form of concrete plans so that the remaining members can continue.

[He may or may not have had to deal with exactly these problems so it's still a little fresh on his mind.]

[notquitetamed]

A lot is going to depend on the amount of interest there is and the experience they have. What sort of leadership works for a smaller group won't work for a larger group. The only thing for sure is that anyone with experience in the military knows that leaders need to have a person designated to act in their place if something happens to them.

As far as a background check goes, would there even be anything reliable? Let's take me for example. There is no one else here from my world to vouch for me, and even if there was who can say they are trustworthy? With that, the best measure may be to set up a way to ensure any leader can be removed if they prove ineffective or an outright threat. A vote or a means of challenging for the position could be effective ways to handle it.

But right now it's hard to answer anything for sure until it's known if there will even be enough interest to sustain a group like this, what experience they have, and what their skills are. Those who decide to join should have a say in what they want to see. I'm just making the suggestion as one with experience in combat myself to get things started.

voice; un: stranger

[eightfoldfiend]

[A deep, rumbling voice.]

We require an actual army.

[notquitetamed]

Not if its as worthless as the one back home that can't even capture one Monstrum.

voice, un: courtesanofdeath

[tsukky]

I lead a paramilitary group back home n' I taught those under me how to fight.

I'm trained in ninja arts. My focus is on stealth n' most effectively eliminatin' targets though. None of this flashy stuff and impractical armour. S'why I don't see joinin' their knights as an option for me.

[notquitetamed]

My thoughts exactly. My style emphasizes speed and is greatly hindered by heavy armor. Ideally I'd want to make use of all styles but a lot will depend on how much interest there is.

text; un: didnot

[morns]

this place not have its own army?

( ugh, didn't she already do this shit at home? )

[notquitetamed]

Supposedly the knights. But not just anyone can join them and a whole fat lot of good they did preventing hostages from being taken by the doppelgangers or aiding us in locating that venom.

video; un: jean

[rustyhonesty]

I'm not sure we actually need a group, because while no one can immediately join the knights, it's still possible. And even if you're not officially a knight, you can still aid them. King Arthur led us to the Silent Shore even if practically no one was a knight.

[Maybe one or two were, but he has no idea.]

I doubt it's that easy to form a group and find a suitable leader. Everyone's experiences are very different.

[notquitetamed]

I've already spoken with a few people who refuse to join the knights for various reasons. Yet they still have valuable talent and a wish to help out. Some also hold objections to their lack of action in regards to the doppelgangers taking hostages and us being left to go solve the problem on our own. Nothing says that if we even form a group that we can't cooperate with the knights. My world has such an arrangement with the local garrison and the church's knights.

[voice] un: geddoe

[trueltning_fury]

Oh good, I'm not the only one who noticed that. [disorganization, that is.]

What concerns me more is that the king and whatever military he has is eager to go to war. One would think they would also reverse course and prepare a defense but so far I have little confidence that this would happen.

[notquitetamed]

That was exactly my thought. It just makes no sense to fail to follow the most basic of strategy to ensure you have a solid supply line and that you won't go home to find the enemy came and took it. Even the lowest level flunkie among the knights and soldiers back home gets that much.

audio; un: crimsonflame

[crimsongirl]

....We had nothing like that this entire ti--screw it, there's no age limit on this thing, is there? I would have been 18 in just a few months anyway before this place took me.

[If she was gonna fight, better to be somewhat organized at least.]

[notquitetamed]

Considering I was 17 when I first picked up a sword to defend my home from bandits? [And killed one.] I ain't no hypocrite and two of those I fight with back home are younger than you.

video un: dark-wings

[originaldragoon]

Some kind of defense militia would be ideal. There is Arthur and his knights, but considering that we were brought here for whatever purpose, it seems only fair to do our part against whatever threats may arise.

I spent most of my life being a mercenary, but before that I was also a knight and held a command position during a time of war. But that was a very long time ago. [Like several thousand years ago] I can offer help if needed though.

[notquitetamed]

Sounds like a good amount of experience. From what I've been hearing so far it's definitely going to be a more eclectic group.

voice; un: kyoshiwarrior

[warfan]

I led and trained warriors on my own world - though by the sound of things, there are more than enough people here with experience leading fighters. If we want to work as a cohesive unit, drilling on group tactics might be the most important step.

[notquitetamed]

More than I'd expected, but depending on the size of the group we end up with there may be a need for a chain of command so it's still good to know who can do it and who is like me and just wants to be out there fighting.

voice; un: lovehunter

[fangirls]

Hmm... You're right. I don't like to think about it, but...

[ She trails off briefly. ]

We have to look out for each other.

[notquitetamed]

Nobody likes thinking about it. Still is better to think about it and risk wasting time to be prepared than to be incapable of mounting a solid defense because we hoped peace would work.

Audio | un: kratos

[worldsokayestdad]

If you wish to pursue this course of action, it would be in your best interest to get the king's blessing first. Have you stopped to consider how those native to this place may view something like this? Whether or not you have the best intentions, some people may not be comfortable with the idea of a group of outsiders forming their own militia.

[notquitetamed]

Another task that may be better suited for whoever ends up leading. [Because he knows very well how good he is at pissing off people in authority.] It is a valid point, but with us having the choice of invasion I do wonder how he expected us to do so with no organized group among us.

audio; un: ensignledo

[ferrytale]

[ well, at least if he can't go and find out what a Viking raid looks like right now, at least there are additional options, right? ]

Agreed. It is only a matter of time. Once the enemy attacks, it is too late. It may not even be the fae at all. Does anyone truly know what is possible in this world? Continuing to fail to plan specific measures would be foolish.

As for the question of experience, just prior to my arrival here, I exceeded 145,000 hours of military service. My primary function is as a pilot, but I have also received extensive training in combat without the use of a Machine Calibre. Chamber is still capable of providing tactical analysis that may prove useful, but the lack of meaningful data severely limits its functionality. I am working to rectify this but—... I am often unsure what qualifies as meaningful in this world...

I have not led others myself, but I learned much from my Commander. I am willing to offer suggestions, but my prior conversations with others lead me to believe not everyone will be receptive to them. Perhaps you should keep that in mind, as those who are not willing to put aside personal feelings and waste their time and energy on useless things will only weaken the collective as a whole.

Otherwise, once a chain of command is established, I require only to know who I am to report to and what my orders are. I will carry out my mission.

[notquitetamed]

Does meaningful data really vary so much from world to world? I'd think a map of the terrain, knowledge of the defenses available, weaknesses, and knowledge of potential threats is most of what is needed to create a strategy.

Still, pretty impressive amount of service there. [Yeah, he did the quick calculation on how much that is.] Believe me though, I know how stubborn people can be. But I've also learned here that if you ain't willing to adapt that you're just weak. I also ain't afraid to tell them that to their faces.

voice, un: c.silverberg

[thirdwisestar]

Whether that's a good idea really depends on what you plan to do with a militia. You won't get very far officially without the king at least saying he'll allow it to take part in the city's official defense but offering combat training wouldn't need more than a place to hold the training and a schedule.

[ But someone already mentioned that, right? Caesar moves on, not lingering on the point. ]

But you want whoever this imaginary leader you have in mind to do that instead of yourself. So how are you going to figure that one out?

[notquitetamed]

Oh I could go talk to the King myself. I also know that saying I'm not suited for diplomacy is a gross understatement for how that's likely to go.

[Yeah, putting someone who is as bloodthirsty as Hawk can be in charge of diplomacy isn't a great idea.]

As far as plans go? I want to see a group that is actually capable of mounting some sort of organized response to things like the doppelgangers or if an invasion comes our way. Didn't exactly see His Majesty's knights helping and our response was disorganized and chaotic.

[And that last bit is filled with so much sarcasm in how he refers to the king that it's probably clear now why he's saying not being suited to diplomacy is an understatement.]

voice; un: stargazer

[leicesters]

It seems to me like you've garnered a lot of interest. [Claude's held off on replying so far, mostly because he's been waiting to see what offers come forwards first, but now he feels like there's enough for him to chip in.]

So the next steps are deciding a chain of command. Maybe that can be done via a meeting between everyone potentially interested in being leader, so they can deliberate and agree on who does what? If we want everyone to work together, our best bet is to make these decisions by consensus.

I also agree with the suggestion to reach out to Arthur. It's not like we plan to go behind his back, after all, and we don't want to give the wrong impression.

[notquitetamed]

Yeah, definitely am going with narrowing it down to maybe four or five of the people who have volunteered so far and then from there decide on a chain of command. Seems there's enough interest to form a few squads.

And I don't disagree with reaching out to him. I just know there aren't many people worse than me to ask that of. It would be my hope he does approve it since a few people have said they don't want to be knights but do want to help with defense. Can't blame them, I know being a knight isn't for me either.

Audio; un: Fashiondiva

[corpsewarblade]

[Wasn't this the guy she awkwardly woke up at the party? His voice sounded familiar.]

So, like...you're looking around for interest but you're not planning on leading things yourself? Shouldn't it be some, like, commander sort who handles that stuff.

...Well, I'm just a model so it's not really my area anyway.

[She's interested, definitely- but whilst she's undercover it's not something she's able to engage with that easily.]

[notquitetamed]

[Sure he believes you Miss Diva who had a bit too ingrained of a reflex for defense.]

Someone needed to take a first step. I consider it a nice little nudge and I plan on aiding whoever is chosen with the stuff I am good at.

I'm also curious about what in regards to you being a model says you can't have a wish to protect something here? You got some skills and good reflexes and I can't see any reason why what you do would stop you from being able to help protect whatever you want to protect when a threat comes.